Public sentiment about India's semiconductor industry is largely positive, marked by a strong sense of national pride and optimism for future advancements. While many comment on the significant progress made and support for government initiatives, there are underlying concerns regarding skilled labor shortages, the need for significant infrastructure investments, and the challenges associated with reaching advanced manufacturing capabilities.

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Forgot high-level policy failures, it's impossible to run a simple business like a sports shop without bureaucrats, politicians and the police running it to the ground with their bribe demands. When getting a GST number takes so long, we have no hope to nurture a flourishing high value-add manufacturing environment.

Inevitable-Hunt737

Very few of the semiconductor companies have good RoE; and the goal of government here is more strategic than economic. Not saying everything is being done 100% right, but it’s not totally black.

Also yes 5/6 plants are not real fabs but just packaging. But this industry like many others has great network effects, and start is going to be very difficult.

Ok_Lavishness2625

This is a myopic take. Why do you think semiconductor manufacturing is concentrated in a couple of nations, with one being the overwhelming leader? 

Even the US doesn’t have the scale or fully integrated value chain within its own borders, especially for higher nodes. Germany, Japan, Russia, Israel, the Netherlands all were at the cutting edge of semiconductor manufacture at one point. Yet they can no longer compete with the scale of Taiwan any more. You need indigenize an entire ecosystem to produce high grade semiconductors. In addition, you need to build the labor/talent pool to feed it. In the US, TSMC had to bring in talent from Taiwan. You think India can do all of that overnight? OSATs will come first. Chemicals and ancillaries next. Fabs will slowly move up nodes.

Taiwan has been at it since the 60s/70s, slowly moving up the value pyramid. Until the 2000s it was a pseudo-autocracy that focuses an entire nation’s resources and policymaking on one singular industry. TSMC and Hon Hai are Taiwan. Every kid in Taiwan wants to work there when they grow up. Together, they contribute close to 30% of Taiwan’s GDP. Just 2 companies!!! India isn’t like that. India has fewer resources per mouth to feed and many more industries to scale. On top of that we are burdened with regulations (some pre-independence) that are difficult to amend because of our democratic nature.

What makes you think we can catch up, let alone overtake them in a couple of years? We will need decades to catch up, but we’re finally moving in the right direction.

RedandWhiteFan

Fearful-Hunter6736

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the biggest crime is all these new engineering students choosing ece over cs because they think semiconductor industry will boom in India.

India’s lack of investment in the tech field is a great example of missed opportunity:

When the US and Russia were racing to the moon, they already got close to Nuclear missiles. It’s fine, we got a slow start with isro and later laughing buddha.
 
We could have heavily invested in machinery building to make factories for the booming economies, but that too is gone.

We could have guns and weapons designed and manufactured locally, but that too is gone.

Design our own in-house fighter jets, but too little too late.

In 2017, we could also invest in drone tech, but guess what? We don’t, where as it is researched, designed and already used in wars.

Then comes semiconductor technology, again, not us.

That brings us to AI, and we have Astrotalk🤦.

While the US and Chinese have begun integrating all of these industries to use and combining them with AI to use in actual wars.
We don’t even have cyberspace dominance with hackers.

[This video by Johnny Harris](https://youtu.be/geaXM1EwZlg?si=ctn2jozKsnEZ-Loz) explains how AI can be used to win military combat. And as we all know, recently OpenAI signed a deal with the US Army.

And judging by the fact that China isn’t that far behind, with DeepSeek, we know that in a war happening in the future, we will have to face heavy losses before getting closer to victory.

XD-Avedis-AD

I don't agree with the assessment. I think having OSATs that provide jobs to a large portion of the population is the way to go. People sometimes forget what the role of the government is. To be able to invest so much money into fabrication when we have neither the skill nor the internal demand is a recipe for failure, even if it looks ambitious. We are not gonna be competitive internationally against TSMC, especially if there is no internal consumption. I hope the government can stop imports from China and incentives Indian manufacturers to make that investment by identifying the correct products where the presence of OSATs will drive the internal market. I am happier to have a government which provides jobs rather than be overly ambitious and play with taxpayers money. Sorry to say but we don't have the proper infrastructure and culture to have a state of the art semiconductor fabrication giant like TSMC. If we can somehow produce the electronics we import from China, we'll be on our way one day to be a fabrication hub. And the bonus is that our youth will stop being misled by politicians if their prospects in life grows better.

KnowZero

The govt. needs to kill the mindset that we can catch up with the rest of the world by using 'technology transfers'.

No country/company would willingly give away profit making technologies, at most we'd have a lot of hidden strings attached to the deal.

  
Actual innovation would only come up when innovation is driven from internal R&amp;D.

While I believe low-profit OSATs are a very real step in the supply chain, one which we obviously need to capitalize on for its employment opportunities, we need real investment in research from both corporate and govt. entities to have any semblance of a modern fab up in the country, and even that is decades away and I'm being optimistic here.

MightyRaptor990

"Made in india" tag is also a political gimmick

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sharedevaaste

Startup India funding is the same. If I recollect, gov set aside few thousand crores for that. I can't think of a single thing that came out of it. Myopic vision and terrible execution. I would add PM Cares to that but that is pure corruption.

britolaf

You're talking right out of your ass. Please give us your technical background to establish some credibility. 

\* 80K crores is less than 10billion USD. **One** state of the art 'logic' fab today costs that much. 

\* You are delusional to think that OSAT plants are trivial and "don't need much skill". Talk to some one who works in packaging to understand how critical and difficult it is to integrate disaggregated dice. 

\* You are double delusional to think that India is ready to run a real fab. Go on LinkedIn and message a couple of engineers who work with one of the IDM companies ask ask about their gas and chemical sensitivities. 

It is absolutely right to start with assembly and then in the distant future aim for a real fab.

Wrong to compare india with china or us.
In reality it should be to any South American country

Thick_Wallaby1

I would say it's not a gimmick, It's like head hammering in a close community trying to get people info and getting in any hook someone gave. Companies will milk the govt., The govt. will continue flowing money till they realise they are the cow, But this would give me enough time to get contacts and people to start something like ISRO but for semiconductors.

NightMonkey1011

Not just semiconductors, but also Active Pharmaceutical ingredients, nothing is done.
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Remember, black money gimmick during note-bandi(nov 2016). This is a jhoomla sarkar as per the words of the current union Home minister.
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Recent Great Missed Opportunity was Block Chain Tech. Equating this with bitcoin and making it illegal, then losing in Court, it is legal, now. But huge job opportunities(direct &amp; indirect) missed.
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Ever wonder at what technology, the Government is spending? Cow Dung(Gower) technology, True, link below. There are more such schemes. Look at the amount.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/startups/trend-tracking/cow-based-startups-to-get-60-government-funding/articleshow/71041052.cms

RevolutionaryFig9437

All your points are really of concern OP. 
To add to it, I guess the main crux of such issues is the literal incompetency of the government officials involved. I’m really not sure if the top institutes of the country / MNCs have a say in this (either way there are no big names from Indian bg) 
And moreover, even if they proposed something, by the time it is scrutinised a hundred useless times by the shit like hierarchy of government offices (land acquisition, planning, tendors) the technology just becomes old and obsolete. Corruption sucks. Most likely it’s gonna be just another political gimmick from their end, Forget about IPs, where do we even have good RnD. God save this country.

MinuteSession1976

The advisory board of ISM is a joke. All “talkers”, few doers.

sidm2600883

Thanks for the info. Nothing in india is built for actual development of the country and people. It's all to make rich richer and provide cheap labour to the developed countries. Most companies are held by foreigner investors.

Snehith220

During my graduation days, one of my professor quoted this on the status of India, "In China, there are many donkeys but only led by Lions. But in India, there are many Lions but only led by donkeys." 
This hits me now as in the real life too.

win_a

OSAT or not, it is all within the policy and plans (hopefully backed by research and studies)  
It is quite clear that the India is not at a stage to do the best and state-of-the-art activities in he field. Well advised or not, it is a beginning.  
I just hope India is up for begging, stealing or borrowing to meet its objectives.

techol

I get you, but I guess this is about building an eco system. Build something that can be easily achievable first and then aim for something cutting edge.  
  
  Just wanted to drop this relevant [video](https://youtu.be/isBYV6QWDIo?)

Bornagain4karma

I am not that pessimistic. Yes, you may see a lot of failure, but others failed a lot before they succeeded too. Besides, IF India wants to compete against China economically, then it needs to also do so in key areas where China excels (and where India can excel too). I am not saying it has to be via semiconductors etc.., mind you; but IF a decision was made, and it was a good decision based on specific rationale (of which I am unsure Modi is even capable of understanding himself), then I think it can become profitable eventually. You may have to focus on specific niches first though, as otherwise it seems an impossible task.

shevy-java

Kind of unrelated to the thread

Why does indians feel like they have to follow every trend and every other modern industry? 

I've been seeing these memes like us: chatgpt, china:deepseek, india:insert stupid app here 

Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel why don't we focus on building on too of what we already have? India doesn't need to make llm#3848

I'm not saying we shouldn't be researching ai or semiconductor but all these politicians talking about "ai" and "innovation" doesn't even know Jack shit about what they are talking about and a common person doesn't know better 

We should be focusing on getting all these technology to everyone. Even tho we are like biggest it exporter in the world how much of that is applicable in ground level?

ivanrj7j

In my college, only a few electronic based core companies came to hire. The rest were just IT, ITeS. We are told from fucking childhood that you have to become a software engineer only. Electronics require serious money, a very strong dedication from the R&amp;D units. Unless we move ahead from the mentality, good luck improving the scene.

mayudhon

There is high likelihood that the industrialist tell the 56 inch tongue what they have an eye on and then the 56 inch tongue creates a policy to favor them and couches it in catchy marketing terms to appeal his core constituency of superidiots.

larrybirdismygoat

This govt runs on zero accountability so a failure is not called out in the mainstream and so doesn't really matter to the guys on top.

Syd666

So is any quantum computing investment. Nothing will come out of it. India doesn't have the skill or technology for it. Tax payers' money going into politician's pockets and the drain.

El_Impresionante

We're taking this step to avoid complete isolation. Yes, the chips currently being manufactured are of a lower grade, but they provide a viable alternative if the supply chain is disrupted. At least this ensures we have a potential backup supply route.

sin94

chillipick

lol, why are you so pissed . I am from the industry and can advise to look again at your research sources. Look around you and you will see agkeast 20* + plants has been settled . I suggest you go back to your hometown and fight for language .

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Another side of the Equation is Design Linked Incentive.
Unlike Fabrication, India has a Large talent pool in IC Design( 20% of the Global Workforce)...but most of which works in Global MNCs.

If the Domestic Fabless Companies can harness this existing workforce...we can see more immediate results than the investments in Fabs and OSATs.

Waiting_for_Godot___

See nobody is going to set up direct fabs in India without the present of a dedicated ecosystem. If you think this approach is wrong you my friend are naive like a 5 year old. When setting up industries it's always you start with the section which has the lowest point of entry. It was the same case with the smartphone manufacturing in India, we started with assembling, then are slowly moving up the supply chain like now batteries are being manufactured in India, to an extend Samsung even has a display fab in India now. It is simply not possible to immediately get top dogs like TSMC or Samsung to set up complete chip manufacturing in India, It's a long term game.

Top_Caterpillar3116

idk why I kinda see some flaws in your theory... but fir bhi for simpler fact same things were said when india started mobile manufacturing shit....

EmbarrassedCup7495

Bro 80k crore is just 10 billion dollars. It might sound very high but it's not really that much in the world of fabrication plants. And no you can't open a state of the art fab with 22k crore, even a 28nm plant with land acquisition, building out, equipment imports and training would go for atleast 10 billion dollars.

CommissionFair5018

You gotta start somewhere, no one is going to set up a fab in a place which doesn't even have OSATs

Suryansh_Singh247

What? First of all the micron plant is an ATMP. Second, we are creating a semiconductor ecosystem. Fab to Osat to ATMP.

Before this, India had 0 major manufacturing systems other than say, for Isro and defense. Everyone is competing for investments: From USA to Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia (who already has a strong base). The semiconductor shortage in Covid and how only a few key countries controlled it pushed everyone else to start pushing for Semiconductor investments for National security

Financial_Army_5557

The criticism highlights real risks if India’s efforts stall at OSATs, but the ISM’s official vision is broader, aiming for a full ecosystem including fabs and design. Progress is incremental, and while the current mix may not deliver immediate technological self-reliance, it lays foundational steps for future capability. The mission’s ultimate success will depend on sustained policy, investment, and technological partnerships not just the current round of projects.

Whole_Tale09

I don't get your point? or did you just directly started to study integrations before even knowing what functions were? 

Semiconductor industry is very scientifically complicated, it requires deep knowledge on a very vast range of topics spanning from quantum model of atoms to electromagnetic fields, and very good knowledge of maths in calculus/complex calculus, diff eqns among others. And that's just to understand what is happening. Now I am not taking a jab at the CSE peeps out there, the the end of the day we all depend on one another, but the process of making and electrical/electronic component or manufacturing anything for that matter, is vastly more complicated than firing on a laptop on your lap. What increases the complexity is absolute need of interdisciplinary co-operation to make any IC, pcb, plc etc. And do you know how much time did it take for ASML to make their EUV lithography machines (the machines that \~make the chips)? 20 YEARS, and an unimaginable billions of euros. Even with trivial electronic components for eg - a blue LED,was rather notorios to make, and took way more time that it should have because this stuff is that much more complicated. 

coming back to your arguments. If you we want to make any real progress such that we eventually command some IP, it will TAKE TIME, and investment, of which the first step it this.

Business_Buy3787

&gt;Since more people can be directly employed here they can show it in numbers 

Isn't the whole point of the whole thing to create jobs?

winged_mongoose

This should be told to Indian Parents, Youth , Children and Elders who reading semiconductors in news get an orgasm thinking we are going to become the next Taiwan or something in Semiconductors or that high skilled labour will be recruited into these places, Rest all is now so commonplace it's tiring to even argue about Indian bureaucracy 

Try to do anything on your own - Gov doesn't allow , Try to guide the government - Gov won't listen to you , Try to join them - That also they won't allow , so what are the people of this country supposed to do ? Then doctors, lawyers etc... come and say Engineers are useless they do no work , they should be worked more .

Ahura_Narukami

Idk bro everyone keeps saying semiconductor boom ece boom but the only boom i believe is in boom boom boomrah

intellectsup02

This govt needs to acknowledge that every damn thing should not be used for political mileage. Be it hosting G20, launching any military operation or even inaugurating Vande Bharat. When your first priority becomes advertisement, then you'll only get mediocre results just like this. I didn't knew that most of the semiconductor units aren't fabs, why are they even making in the first place? It would be a lot better if we had invested into some other component manufacturing facility like camera sensor. But anyways Guj again gets the flagship project as always (no hate to any gujarati but it is not fair when all the major projects goes to a single state).

moye__moye

bro its just the starting ..no one has said that there will be just these 6 one only ..and we have just entered into this field and it will take time ....it is ok ...every country has started with this only as it take time to build the ecosystem ...it much easy to Criticise someone rather than helping in it

Architojha

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Ek saal toh mujhe khud boom expect karte ho gya yeh comment last year ka h..

Jatin__chauhan

The biggest problem of Indians is that we love skipping steps .

Where do you think the opportunities will lie for a marwadi/Gujarati trader? Maybe trading raw materials/chemicals or finished products distributorship ? Anything? Im a noob in electronics can some one guide? I don't have the kind of money required to setup a manufavturung plant but I definitely can do something small in the entire supply chain which is also a critical part? Can someone guide thankyou .

m_corleone_22

DancingResonance1812

Well the government has started seriously investing in semiconductor so I do think you are right.

meet1012

We need skilled chemical engineering, mechanical engineering and electrical engineering graduates for this semiconductor manufacturing mission to be successful

Mountain-Cup2858

You have to start somewhere. Who is going to set up a fab in a country with no semicon ecosystem?

Dokja_23

So much rant i couldn't understand what a OSAT is can you explain?

BUDDHI_NASTHI

Read about SCL, our first semiconductor company with its own Fab in 1984. And how they were sabotaged, the truth is this country is filled with traitors who will sell their country without hesitation.

SnooPredictions4282

Dude, you can make a state of the art facility for semiconductors but that doesn't give higher employment opportunities and that requires very skilled labour cuz it involves R&amp;D. But in India, we have much higher labour population. Hence, the plants which you talked about are made. So, that they can be employed. Most of the unemployed folks aren't really skilled in India.

Forsythe1941

The reason why we have to outsource is that we simply have BTech graduates who run behind packages and jobs. They don't try to develop ideas of their own or set up a start up. Indian government has come up with good initiatives through StartUp India and MSME ministry. While Indians focus on startups that provide delivery services, people abroad start startups that are Tech based....

No_Law6813

RoyalInstruction9763

for people saying babus -  no , corrupt babus will not able to effect it too much , cus for it they have to know stuffs and they are too stupid to know things,  same reason IT boom , becuase 90s babus dont know how to exploit this , obviously they can make money through land but it wont effect product quality like the roads bridge and other infra

Make in India itself is all about making something that is invented elsewhere in the world. The IP typically stays in the US/Europe. China on the other hand did both. They made products developed elsewhere, while innovating and improving with local alternatives. They have now reached a point where the likes of Huawei and Zhaoxin threaten the dominance of western chipmakers.

Over time, robots will get better than humans and the plants will move to the west once again. By that time, China would have in-house chipsets that are cheaper and better than the western ones. But, India will buy from elsewhere. Our economy thrives from the export of low cost commodity. 

Innovation cannot happen even if we suddenly spend money. STEM education has to improve and politics (like NEP enforcing 3 language policy when we don't even have money for 2 languages, let alone for advancing STEM education) should be kicked out.

Necessary-Age9878

All “development” in India is siphoning off tax payers money to purchase politicians land at exorbitant rates at 3x-5x the market rates. Then they use that money to settle their familys and children abroad while ret&amp;rds keep banging nationalism plates here in India.

Good that you realised this today.

Legitimate-Trip8422

Designed and Manufactured in Assam, India.

Wow, that sounded very nice in my head!

lokiheed

Now these are the things to be proud of. So glad to see Assam developing, at least in some good ways

Cerulian_16

yes we are late.. 5 countries are ahead of us.. 188 countries are behind us.. we started space journey and was far behind.. we are one of the leading space organisation now.. we started our journey in service sector about 40 years later, now we are way ahead compare to many develop countries.. we started our pharma sectors when world was 50-60 years ahead.. we are leading now.. dumbf*ck people expect success is only when one achieve 3 nm chip at the literal starting point.. 32 bit chips are still in used in many electronics.. it's a start.. hope we don't get stalled.. govt needs to invest much more on R&amp;D.. we should welcome new ideas instead of following the path tsmc paved..

Chop-Beguni_wala

One day I want to see chips designed and made by every state in India.

TEAM_CAPTAIN_YT0

No-Chipmunk-3142

This post is made when USA India rivalry is going on. 

Let me give you a dose of truth.  We can't beat USA. Without USA and it's vassal states india will have no semiconductors. We will go back to medieval ages. 

USA is just showing maturity no other country shows. They can easily block all advanced semi conductors. No more call of duty, no more graphics card. No more computers. No more QR code and pay. Dynamo gaming, mortal all will become unemployed. Gaming industry destroyed. EV industry destroyed. Digital Economy destroyed. Share market might go down for 50 consequetive years. No more 5g. We go back to 2G or 3G. 

People will be doing agriculture again like 1950s. With climate change that agriculture will also suffer. 

So geopolitics aside. We need to thank USA for the technology we are using.

7_feet_vlogger

Can it compete with nvidia or intel or tsmc.  

Will nvidia or intel or tsmc not make semiconductors for 30 years waiting for assam or india to catch up?

shrekkit2

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RowBig9371

Semiconductor fabrication can only happen in places with the infrastructure to support it. I honestly wish them the best.

EarthTrash

I know for a fact that Tata is actively hiring Process Engineers and sending them to Taiwan for training.
They're also hiring utility engineers which one would do for foundry support.

gau-tam

Yeah, but they are in a very initial stage. Tata and other companies are hiring for engineers and getting them trained. They are also expected to get first set made in India chips planned for later this year.

Expect in 2026 two to three companies to be in production with two or three generations older technology. But this shouldn’t be a reason to despair. No one gave a chance for mobile production and manufacturing in India too. But now close to 1/5 iPhone globally sold are manufactured in India

stuputtu

Sharing a comment to provide insights.
1. Just like the Chips Act the semiconductor india programme is being utilised by companies in india. 
2. Indian companies like Tata and L&amp;T have started acquiring companies for IP and know-how to get into the market
3. The way semiconductor industry works is in incremental order, first the Semiconductor Assembly and Test units or otherwise called as SATs or OSATs will be established 
4. Micron has already used it to establish a SAT in Sanand
5. Other companies like IBM and Infineon have also planned to start work on semiconductor and Infineon has planned to increase headcount in india 
6. Next the fans with higher technology nodes will be established in india, the Indian govt. Wants companies to establish latest technology nodes not understanding the risk for the company but higher technology nodes with material other than Silicon is in process which have various use case
7. The process knowledge, skill and expertise or know how takes time to mature and once it's done better technology nodes will be developed 
8. For anywhere close to 15nm to be developed in substantial volume in india it'll take minimum of 15 years from now thats if everything falls right 
9. TSMC does 3nm now and are going lower, even in the US they are planning to fabricate 5/7nm not sure.
So hope it gives good info to the people interested.
Thanks

Assassin709

What we are are doing is decade old 18-22nm chips for domestic consumption but advanced manufacturing requires 100s of billions of investments not just in building companies but also equal amounts in skills development and research etc.

The fact that the technology is controlled by no single entity, and no single entity possesses end-to-end domain knowledge.	Netherlands (ASML) — manufactures the EUV lithography machines (the most advanced in the world). Without ASML, no leading-edge chips.
	•	Germany — produces critical components like optics (Zeiss makes the ultra-precise lenses for ASML machines) and other industrial parts.
	•	United States — owns a lot of the core intellectual property and electronic design automation (EDA) tools (Synopsys, Cadence, etc.) and controls key chip architectures (e.g., NVIDIA, AMD, Intel).
	•	Taiwan (TSMC) — runs the world’s most advanced chip fabrication facilities, specializing in ultra-advanced nodes like 3nm and 2nm chips.


Even if China attacks Taiwan they can’t do a much and that is what holding them back, all of these might already be having a kill switch in the event of a war.

To your question, India is nowhere near all of these advancements, and even if it is ready to pay for the technology, it will not be sold at any cost because it is of strategic importance to USA

sf_warriors

Company I work for has recieved a definite PO for 3x tools so it does seem to be going ahead

Real_Bridge_5440

Yes, I have built five semiconductors yesterday.

casual12938

Mbierof

Yes, they are already building 6 Fabs. India is a country that will start late but catch up pretty quickly.

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